FLDS: Big Hate- Big Brother

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update : count of children is higher than 416- http://gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/22/judge-urges-case-by-case-considerations-new-more/

by Mia

…all totalitarianisms try to control sex and reproduction one way or another..the regime is busily exterminating nuns, Baptists, Quakers and so forth in the same way the Bolsheviks exterminated the Mensheviks…the free choice of a loved one — when denied by a regime or a culture — is going to happen anyway… I would like to congratulate the students, parents and teachers who have supported the use of my book in Advanced Placement courses. They have aligned themselves against the censors, book-banners and book-burners throughout the ages and have stood up for open discussion and a free expression of opinion — which, last time I looked, was still the American way, though that way is under pressure. -

Thus spake Margaret Atwood, writer of a novel which takes place in a dystopian future, in what has been described as a feminist novel, outlining the results of what many interpreted to be ‘Patriarchy Gone Wild’. However, beyond the male/female dynamic that in this novel have been all but drive underground and repressed lies the idea of the Totalitarian State. Big Brother. Is it here already , Margaret?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613902/posts

FLDS: Government Hate Crime Victims

~~~~Mothers who brought babies and young children onto their own cots to cuddle and comfort were told to put them back in cribs, the women said. http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/

The women said they learned from their attorneys yesterday that Walther had relented and asked CPS to let nursing mothers remain with their children. Velvet woke at 2 a.m. Thursday and began making a list of women who were breast-feeding. She gave the list to a lead CPS worker ‘’so she would know which children could stay with their mothers.”

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Like many people watching the news and trying to make sense of what I hear from a perspective not that of the mainstream, I was astonished at the speed and efficiency of which the raids on this ranch/homes were conducted. Having heard that there in all likelihood was no ‘Sarah’, a troubled teen living under the (albeit fictionalized) oppressive thumb of the FLDS , a teen who allegedly asked for help in order to escape- I can only come to some conclusions regarding why, during a time of war, illegal invasion and the dollar’s decline, it is important to expend so much time , money and energy conducting a modern-day witch hunt upon fundamentalist Mormons. In general, people only work with what they are given, operating from a standard of “Well, what do the pundits say? The CNN anchorperson said X, it must be true, they must be right, because they are the bestowers of Truth as We Know it “. Don’t trust TV. Think for yourself. Go deeper. Like the windows explorer, keep hitting the little folder with the ‘up’ arrow to take it to the next level.

I believe the reasons are not what the TV says they are. Now they are saying the call was most likely a hoax, “but there are girls there that fit the description”, so that makes it OK. I suppose if I call up saying I am a 14 year old in the ghetto and my mom is on crack and leaves every night to turn tricks while I care for the other younger siblings, there would be a raid on Hunter’s Point, San Francisco. Or I could say I was in the mountains of Appalachia, and had no shoes, and my mother was lying drunk in the railroad car we live in, and it wasn’t just me, everyone was like this here. What is the difference between one group of similar people living together in close quarters and another? Children are in danger, are they not? But no, there will be no raids in San Francisco, the city that calls itself a sanctuary city for illegals. There are already too many of their children sitting in foster care as is.

They aren’t worried about those people, as was evidenced by Katrina and the lack of/slow response, but we are supposed to believe that what amounts to child kidnapping in Texas resulted from a phone call. That none of this was planned , it all just sort of happened that week. As I said, don’t believe the TV. Sure it is possible that it could have happened like that, and the government certainly has the resources, but why SHOULD you believe it happened as they told you, just because it is THEY who told you? This is not really a case of “What about the children?” I can hear in my head the predictable pap regurgitated down the gullets of college youth, who will parrot back in response:

” Yes teacher ,it is all about the systems of oppression of women and children, even when it really isn’t them making the fake call for help. We must take a stand against abuse! We must rescue children from clean-living, well-taken-care of circumstances. We must stop them from wearing feminine Little-House-on-the-Prairie clothing. It’s really about ‘gender inequities’. It’s about ’social justice’ ,it’s about freeing the cheeldrrun from their ‘oppressively wholesome’ ranch. Yes, they need to be in foster homes, away from their real mother(s), where they can eat Cheeto’s and watch MTV and American Idolatry, and act like a Real American “

The White Male (and his family) is dead! Long Live The State!

These groups have been around a long time, the official split from LDS happened in the 1930’s but they were living the same way they long before that. they were the original LDS. So, this leads me to ponder.. what criteria have they only now met to warrant these raids, the taking away of children from their parents? Are they being made an example, as in “Don’t think you can get away with existing outside the mainstream, we will get you eventually.” Or like the new CA homeschooling law requiring parents to have a teaching credential, is it Big Brother looking towards the future and seeing a threat down the road? Is it trying to STOP something or PREVENT something? Is it a coincidence a man with an LDS background ran for president? About now is when I will be accused of having a tin-foil hat, that nothing is related, that depriving parents of their rights, from schooling to even be parents of their children is going down the garden path and that path is not eh yellow brick road, but Red.

Things aren’t exactly going swimmingly in America these days, in case you haven’t noticed. We are entrenched in a war with Iraq, the dollar is declining, illegals are invading and causing hospitals to close, over-taxing social programs, property values are falling, banks are in trouble, kids are failing high school exit exams, weird diseases we thought were a thing of the past are coming back, like multi drug resistant TB, there seems no end to the drive-by shootings that pepper the streets of the inner city -the list goes on and on. How do we respond to this? Do we become more afraid, in the shadow of Big Brother flexing his muscle upon these people? Do we conform and become ever-quieter? In the words of the vilified FLDS, do we ‘keep sweet’ and take it?

First they came for the home schoolers, and I did not speak, because I was not a home schooler- then they came for the FLDS…

Four Hundred and Sixteen + Children Taken

I can say it is likely most nationalists sympathize with the plight of FLDS, as we too feel we have been robbed of our own children’s future, if not their present as these more than 416, I believe the count is up to 460 something- children have been . The freedom of association, the freedom to live with whom we wish, live as we wish, to accept or reject the mainstream, to practice whatever religion we wish. We see the loss of your children/women as a direct and symbolic distillation of the loss we feel in losing our country and what it once stood for. The loss of the freedom to believe as we wish, harming no one and raising our children the way we see fit, without government regulation and interference.

We see your loss not unlike suffering from a terminal illness and we are all sick with it. Does it hurt? Yes it does, it hurts us physically by  putting us under threat of violence and hurting the income earning potential of the head of households ,by illegals sucking up blue collar construction and white-collar  being outsourced, mom and pop stores being shut down by big-box competition. More people who shouldn’t be here create more pollution, noise, garbage, illnesses we have long eradicated. It hurts us mentally, the stress of having to live around  people who have no concept of  quiet and privacy, of indoor and outdoor life , thinking disturbing others constantly is  just the ‘thing to do’, and ‘hey, tolerate me or you suck, you’re a hater.’  It hurts us  in every way possible- it is hurting us ALL, not only the FLDS, they are just an easy target to go after directly. Having to assimilate to THEM hurts our collective soul, makes  us sick, depressed, breaks our heart that the things that caused us to once develop new cures, create works of art, inventions, architecture- is being killed off- how do we find those things within ourselves to share with the world, when we have had the equivalent of a racial root canal-the living pulp scraped out and covered over with pretend patriotism, suicidal tolerance,  and obsessive-compulsive adherence to this made-up new bible called Political Correctness?

We watch not only our freedoms fall away, like the hair of a chemo patient- but we also are watching our possibilities of choice fall away- even if we play the game, pay our taxes, have a small amount of kids, spend every free moment earning and buying ,even the chance to do that has been usurped by all this untrammeled immigration and minority quotas regardless of merit, laws that try to be ‘fair’ but in actuality don’t really help anyone, just by making things look ‘equal’ - looking isn’t being. Just because someone says ., “Ok, I’ve waved my magic wand, now We , the Bestowers of Equal, have fixed it”, does not make it so.Yet they do their best to force us all together , hoping some of our ‘run-off’ will help those further down on the totem pole will benefit. One presidential candidate, one talk-show host, these figureheads of ‘equality’ do not equal make.

I would say the ‘magic’ method of equality-believers has failed miserably. The Equality Spell hasn’t truly helped those still ‘left behind’ , and has hurt (whites) us, who at least at one time, were the ones at the helm of this ship we call America. Big Brother does whatever it wants and calls it neat-o feel-good names in hopes that average people will also want to feel noble and good, whether the results work or make things worse. Has our lack of border control helped us? No, that’s the bad kind of tolerance, yet we go after FLDS with a vengeance , as if they are causing us problems en masse, which they are not. Will Big Brother now take away their community land, build condos and then call the evicted FLDS ‘terrorists’ when they are unhappy with the new deal?

This group had won the ‘opt-out’ game and is being punished and made an example of for it. Big Brother is not worried about other groups besides various sections of Whites doing this- when it is those other groups living in little ghetto-y clusters, they are usually entirely dependent upon the government, which is obviously OK with Big Brother. I’m pretty sure none of these other groups who have the unwed, young mothers, drug dealing, prostitution, men having many kids they don’t take care of and so on- they know those groups for whatever reasons don’t have any kind of collective ability to to build anything of substance of tehir own-they can only swim by the big shark and hope little bits of plankton fall out of the sharks mouth. It is highly unlikely Manuel Pablo Enrico Vargas, an anchor baby will run for President here anytime soon. The ‘token minority’ presidential candidate, he was not from ex-slave class, White Guilt-provoking, chip on shoulder, malapropism-using, prison, drugs, guns, ghetto-dwelling, no-daddy-knowing background. That said, I am disappointed Romney supports ‘100 year War’ McCain.

This despicable nightmare which the parents in FLDS are suffering through are victims of hate, this is related to what I wrote about a couple months ago re Hoarding Whiteness and homeschooling out here in CA, how the state is trying to take that right away from parents, and require parents to have the equivalent of a teaching certificate to educate their children. Can’t keep that Whiteness on the ranch all by yourselves. Big brother will think you are building another Lebensborn. Can’t have all kind of White kids being born and raised by their mothers . O.M.G. That is dangerous. They must be stopped. http://silentconsort.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/homeschooling-fight-thou-must-share-whiteness/

This is happening in America, the place that is supposed to be all about ‘tolerance’ and acceptance of differences- celebrate diversity no less. Well, this despicable nightmare in which the parents and children in FLDS are suffering is as hateful and intolerant as it gets, hence government Hate and Hypocrisy. Obviously , most of us were not raised on an FLDS ranch with more than one mother, Mormon or otherwise, but that is not the point. One doesn’t have to approve or condone of their religion or way of life to see that these people were not harming anyone and it is just plain wrong to come in and take their children away. They didn’t come in and ask the women and kids if they wanted to go, if they were being held against their will, if they felt oppressed or miserable or abused. This isn’t about choice, get it?

In the case of the FLDS, it is now the sickness of mourning - separation from those we love, the pain of knowing we can never go back or fit in without sacrificing what we believe inside, the tears and ache of longing to be and live closely with whom we love in the way we wish to because the system sets it up to be nigh-impossible, and continually having any chance or inroad one does make stripped away. If one says the wrong things, believes the wrong things, or as the 80’s self help book admonished , ‘love too much’ we lose it all, and can love no one. Don’t tell me who I can love, who I do love, how many kids I can have, who I should live with ,where I can live and what that should ‘look like’, what religion is or is not acceptable, how my kids should learn and with whom they should play.

You are not my family , Big Brother Commie-Feminist-Multi-Culti-Pseudogod. GET OFF MY LAWN! LEAVE US ALONE.

The more they vilify us and kick us, hoping to keep us down if not by the amount of lithium in our drinking water (look it up) and by the droning salve of TV, liturgical rants of the pundits about terror, default corporate greed, enforced multi-culti at any price agenda- the MORE ‘hate’ and separatism that breeds, not less. We LIKE being who we are, we don’t want to be racially, culturally, religiously, scholastically, mentally, and spiritually castrated, though they are trying to do their best to achieve this, sending our young men to die,taking a whole crop of young White kids out of the FLDS community to do gawd-knows-what with. Going to recruit them for the permanent war fixture in the middle east that we all know isn’t ‘just’ 100 years, but forever? Going to try and turn them into the next prepubescent TV teen queens and pretty wussy boys? I’m praying not. I’m hoping the Texas DHS will get class-action sued over what looks to me what can only have been a set-up.

The things we grew up believing about this country are constantly being undermined and chipped away. We are grateful we may still have our family or at least our children, if they have not already been absorbed by the mighty machine of the government/media/indoctrination. We don’t lose our children by government raids, we lose them insidiously, piece by piece by the systems that are set up that encourage them towards materialism, multiculturalism, television, loss of identity, religion, race, culture. We lose their future, as do they, and sadly , I do believe because of hose hell-bent on the destruction of Whites, we will lose not only the country, but all of the things that has made the entire world want what we have. We simply won’t have it anymore. ‘Land of the free..’should perhaps be marked with an * disclaimer that any and all rights are subjects to change, regardless of constitution.

We must ask ourselves, since it isn’t about the false pretexts they are using to destroy these people, what IS it really about? And why now? why them of all people, it isn’t like they are out there wrecking YOUR day-to-day life simply by existing, are they? Can one say that about other groups? White flight much? Watch it now, your hypocrisy is showing.

Hate Crimes Against FLDS

What this really boils down to is hate. People hate these American citizens for practicing their religion. People at Eldorado passed around hats with “ELDORADO: POLYGAMY CAPITAL OF TEXAS” on them.One person paraded around the entrance to the ranch in a grim reaper costume, and a song called “The Plural Girl Blues” has been written about the members in Eldorado. These things don’t just sound like hate to me, but hate crimes. http://tiny.cc/c8WQY

Kyle Martin, who wrote the above, is correct. This truly is a real hate crime being perpetrated against the members of this particular branch of the FLDS. They are taking children away , separating mothers from infants- why? Are the children being burned with cigarettes, being put in microwaves, eating rocks of crack cocaine, being tossed out hi-rise housing project windows, being abandoned in dumpsters? No, they are not.

http://captivefldschildren.org/Videos.php

The government uses vague claims of ‘abuse’ and underage mothers as the pretext to destroy families and community. The same government doesn’t care about underage mothers in the ghetto, whose children are living under much worse conditions, no fathers to be found to provide for, care for and raise their children, who are much worse off than FLDS kids, who have many healthy, strong , drug-free and loving women to care for them. By turn, these children are being cared for by mothers who share an investment in the children, the ones who are not directly their own being half-siblings or perhaps something akin to nieces and nephews. This cannot be said for the dual career yuppie couple, with all the toys, mortgage and SUV who are routinely featured on news stories having caught their nanny on secret cam letting their precious infants roll off sofas or being abused and neglected in various ways.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2561722/ Yuppie couples employ women such as these to care for their twin infants,so that they can work and have all the toys,clothes, etc that they think will be important for little unisexually named progeny #1 and 2, but that is OK, while having more than one actual mother, is not.

FLDS are descendants of people who settled this country, they are citizens. Illegal aliens are breaking the law here, yet they are not separated from their children, let alone often deported. No one is conducting raids in mexican neighborhoods, either worried about underage mothers rampantly breeding anchor babies without the benefit of marriage , or about their lack of citizenship, or under what conditions the children are living in- young babies being cared for by 8 or 9 year old siblings, while the parents work crappy under the table jobs, or unofficial ‘day care’ homes, where none of the children get loving , personal attention- and collect food stamps and rent vouchers and head to the ER every time there is a health problem for free care. Leaving young children under the supervision of other children IS illegal, is it not?

How many stories can be found simply by typing in the word ‘baby’ into google news search. Here we find a multitude of horror stories featuring either murderous or neglectful mothers and mostly live-in step-father. Is that kind of thing happening on the FLDS ranch? Not by a long shot. Are these children being starved or denied medical care or living in foul, unhealthful conditions? No, this is not true either. Are these mothers in FLDS headed out to ‘da cluub’ to meet a boyfriend and leaving children home alone, sometimes for days whilst they are on a drug bender? Not a chance. So what are they doing that is so horrible they must be punished and their families and larger community destroyed?

That same question is being asked all over the blogosphere:

So, the question that needs answering, is why these three women are being kept from their children? What evidence is there they are unfit mothers, that they have abused their children? Texas doesn’t’t appear to have any such evidence. The only rational conclusion one can draw is that these women dress funny, they belong to an extremely unpopular religious movement, and they shun the modern cesspool we call American pop culture. So, since they are so powerless and unpopular Texas has seen fit to kidnap their children, hold them hostage and subject them to what likely is the most abusive environment yet–the ‘protective ‘care of the Texas Child Protective Services.

http://messengerandadvocate.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/texas-abuse-of-the-flds-children-and-mothers/

We have already established it isn’t the underage marriages, it isn’t horrible abusive conditions, it isn’t alcohol, drug or sexual abuse. So what is it that has made them a target? The above blogger has one thing especially correct- these people reject mainstream culture. Here are some of the reasons I believe have attracted the attention of Big Evil Government.

1) Race (the other groups live in non-traditional familial/marital arrangements and have rampant rates of underage childbearing, and no one conducts raids, but rather accepts it, and even apologize for it citing ‘cultural and religious differences’. FLDS is White, therefore FLDS must be Evil, Bad and Wrong.

2) FLDS cannot be said to be mainstream Judeo_Christian. Beliefs not in line with mainstream Christianity

3) Self-determination , free agency, self-sufficiency- While they may or may not accept help from the state/gov as far as welfare/food stamps, they have certainly created communities, housing, religious structures, etc. They live apart from the mainstream, and until this latest debacle, seem to have done well by it.

4) Patriarchy- The system, though on the day to day level is kept functioning through vast networks of women, at the top are men. This would be one reason the globalist/new world order/feminists etc would be against this system, it is headed by exclusively White men.

5) Rejection of System: Homeschooling , rejection of traditional judeo-Christian beliefs, unable to be absorbed by same, unable to fit into mainstream modern day LDS belief structure, whilst regular LDS struggles to discern whether Smith was correct in his beliefs and they are wrong in rejecting what they call ‘the principle’ or that if he was incorrect, then their entire foundation is built on ignoring that fact, and sweeping it conveniently under the rug- either way, FLDS gets shunted away to aunties, like an illegitimate child, though how they live is representative of the original, early LDS.

6) Rejection of Consumerism/pop-culture- Rejects contact with pop culture brainwashing: MTV, Prozac, face piercing, skanky clothes,celebrity obsession, not appearance obsessed, no TV, magazines that promote all kinds of unhealthy things- hence they are not good consumers because the TV tells you what you lack and what you should buy and be.

7) Marital Arrangements Unacceptable - So let me get this straight. Unwed ghetto teen mothers are OK, unwed teen illegals are OK, swingers are OK, politicians who pay hookers 5000 an hour are OK (well, they don’t have their children taken away) , serial relationships and/concurrent affairs are Ok, that other ‘poly’, polyamory is OK-even if all live together as if they are married and may or may not co-share/parent children is OK, gay marriage is Ok in at least a couple states, transgender parents are OK, adopting kids from other countries while being unmarried and/or polyamorous and/or gay is OK, but not FLDS.

Tolerance and Diversity People say these is OK , even for any parenting arrangement, but not this .

Do you see the Hypocrisy of ‘Tolerance’ ? Yeaahh, ‘tolerance’ is kind of a drag when it’s a one-way street. You tolerate me, or I sue or claim some kind of discrimination and get laws passed to make you tolerate me, and include me, but me tolerate you? Not a chance.

The Hypocrisy of ‘Tolerance’, kind of like :

US/Mexico border fence- Israeli border Wall

Sometimes ‘tolerance’ and ‘diversity ‘ is good , sometimes it’s not. Is that how it is? Some people , ‘We’ the people, will be told what kind of ‘diversity’ is OK and an Officially Licensed Product, and which kinds are not. You are a ‘good guy’ if you agree with Big Brother, and a dangerous, subversive element if you don’t. Organization. A structure that not only includes all of the things America won’t abide in its Hypocritically- Correct belief system, but that owns land, properties, churches, businesses,infrastructure.

9) Religion. Not modern day judeo-Christian friendly.

10) Possibly at least sympathetic to other ostracized cultures not on the Officially Approved as Acceptable American Political Belief System list.

Mormons, Muslims forge close ties

They see in each other a religion viewed with suspicion in U.S. and share an emphasis on the family-

“As the church grew into a global faith,” Green wrote in a 2001 essay, “its posture toward Islam became … more positive” until, today, “the two faiths have become associated in several ways, including Mormonism’s being called the Islam of America.”

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/13/MN0410197R.DTL&hw=mormons&sn=001&sc=1000

Granted, not all FLDS may feel as this professor does, but this statement may be taken as some kind of a threat to approving of the never-ending war in Iraq, or the entire middle-east mess we have gotten ourselves into.

BYU professor Noel Reynolds :

“…there are many important elements of Mormon thought in which we feel closer to the followers of Muhammad than to the contemporary Christian culture in which we have been located since our beginning” (Reynolds quoted by Spencer Palmer, Mormons and Muslims

http://blog.mrm.org/

I am hoping writing about the hate crime by the US government against FLDS will bring more attention to the matter, and has helped the reader to explore other angles and explanations, get people to question and see the hypocrisy that is glaringly obvious in how the government operates and who they select to take down.

Sources:

http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/ covers poly life in Salt Lake city

http://deseretnews.com/user/comments/1,5150,695239852,00.html

http://texaspolygamy.blogspot.com/ Texas blog

http://www.principlevoices.org/ site by women

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9054895

http://polygamynow.blogspot.com/ modern-day

http://pluralmarriageman.blogspot.com/2008/04/is-constitution-dead.html man asks: Is the constitution dead?

http://166.70.44.68/multimedia/2007/0920jeffs/index.html Jeff’s trail slide show and narration

http://www.nccg.org/ezion_geber/warning.html Christian , not Mormon, similar beliefs

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/080418/w0418112A.html Canada

http://messengerandadvocate.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/texas-abuse-of-the-flds-children-and-mothers/

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/2430/CPM-HP-Index.html European site

http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/2007/08/flds-women-and-their-dresses.htm on clothing

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